Friday, January 15, 2010

God Was There

I am God. I know your pain.
I was there for every trial you’ve ever faced.

I was there when you fell and hurt your knee at the age of three.
I was there when you were shunned on the playground more recently.
I was there when your mother was in the hospital. I stood by and watched as the doctors worked to save her life. I appreciated the prayers you sent Me to spare her.

I was there when mother died, as her immortal spirit drifted back to Me.
I was there when your family mourned her loss and cried with unceasing tears.
I was there when your father passed, when he forgot who you were, when you closed the lid to his casket.

I was there when dear Aunt Olga was diagnosed with ovarian cancer.
I was there when she bravely went through test after test until her condition was finally confirmed.
I was there when she lost her will to live. I watched as the family pleaded with her to continue treatment and not to give up; I waited where her tears fell.

I was there when your Uncle Hank died.
I was there when you told your first lie.
I was around the first time you touched yourself; on that day, all the angels cried; on that day, you lost your innocence.

I was there, in the corner of your room, watching you sin. I testified to your inner-man that you fell short of My Glory, as a sinner, an impure and fallen man, another of Adam’s reproachful sons, wicked from birth.

I was there when young Ben, your childhood friend, was killed in the car wreck.
I was in the driver’s seat of the other car, watching, looking on as a drunken man fell asleep at the wheel. I did not wake him, but said: “Sleep, you foolish man. Sleep.”

I was there when your best friend from high school decided to take his own life. My holy eyes saw the blood from his slit wrists run down through the cracks of the hard wood floor.
I was there when you wept at his funeral. Jesus wept too.
I was there when you sobbed uncontrollably, leaning on the casket of your bosom friend, pushing away the comforts of your spouse.

I was there when your youngest child was born, when it was said of the doctors: “Your son’s spine did not form correctly. He will never walk and will need surgery to live.”
I was there when the doctors performed the operation.
I was there as their hands took the scalpels, as every incision, every cut into his newborn flesh was made.

I was there, and I am here. I am God: “and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:20)

(JH)

17 comments:

  1. Awesome read. The world is certainly filled with a lot of pain.

    If this was a autobiography, damn, sorry. If it was your usual observations, it was very well articulated.

    Although there is certainly honesty and power in your writings, your view of God is very
    cynical. If you did believe in a god do you think he'd owe you something?

    If there is no such thing as god, would it make it any easier to get through life? Do you ever get mad at evolution because we haven't figured out how to evolve away from sickness and death?

    I hope this doesn't sound like an attack, I truly don't want that to be the case. As I read your post these questions flooded my thoughts.

    I actually read this a few days ago and just didn't have words to express myself. So like you I just decided to speak honestly about my thoughts.

    When I first read this I said to myself "damn, where's Grace when you need her"? This sounds like something she'd be good at responding to. I'd rather comment on things like how you shit all over everything at the Jack in the Box.

    I can't speak for all Believers, but I often question God about many of these things. If I were able to invent a god I don't think I would have invented the Christian God. But if there is a God who is all knowing and all powerful and is in control of every molecule everywhere and actually created the world in 6 days then maybe he knows a little more than I do?

    And if there is a God you can re-read this post and say "Thank you Jesus"? And remember Matt. 28:20 was spoken to his disciples.

    Very nice work, obviously very thought provoking. Later, feeno

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  2. feeno said...

    YOU: "If this was a autobiography, damn, sorry. If it was your usual observations, it was very well articulated."

    Nope, not me. It's a summary of what we all can relate to. Everyone's family is plagued with this life-happening misery.


    YOU: "Although there is certainly honesty and power in your writings, your view of God is very
    cynical."

    Observing life with an honest lense makes that so. How can it be otherwise if you're honest? God has a universe of nothing but shit happening. How does that make me cynical for pointing out what is obvious?


    YOU: "If you did believe in a god do you think he'd owe you something?"

    No, of course not. But any sense of compassion and justice would rule out his failing to give us only the best things. In a way, yes, he absolutely owes us all happiness because it costs him nothing to give us the best...and he WANTS the best for us, we are told.

    Why do you think you are being a humble and obedient follower of Christ by ignoring the fact that God has everything - perfection - and that you cannot have it too? You are sleeping in the fucking dog house when the rich man you are staying with has a million empty rooms. Go claim one.


    YOU: "If there is no such thing as god, would it make it any easier to get through life?"

    Yes, because then there's no need to explain the pain. It just...is.


    YOU: "Do you ever get mad at evolution because we haven't figured out how to evolve away from sickness and death?"

    Nope, never. I only get mad at the idea of a deity sitting up there having us go through shit when it could be otherwise. There's logic in thinking that.


    YOU: "If I were able to invent a god I don't think I would have invented the Christian God."

    At least you are honest enough to admit that.


    YOU: "But if there is a God who is all knowing and all powerful and is in control of every molecule everywhere and actually created the world in 6 days then maybe he knows a little more than I do?"

    Bullshit. That's what this article blows away. It's the fact that God CAN and WON'T help when he is needed that makes your special pleading argument from ignorance moot.

    God is supposedly there, but if he is, he's a bastard because he doesn't care.

    (JH)

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  3. You know, I struggled with this issue as an agnostic. I was a young teenager, just challenging, and questioning God.. If there was a God.

    Prayed something like God if you're there, how can you allow this level of pain, and suffering in the world. Show yourself.

    God actually answered.

    I don't mean in a visible way of course, or by an audible voice.

    But, my mind was totally flooded with this sense of God's holiness, and loving wisdom, and a realization of my own finiteness, the limits of human understanding at the same time.

    It was a Jobian experience that changed my life, if you know what I mean. Words really can't express what I'm trying to share.

    We truly don't always understand, but seeing, and knowing God's love in the reality of the incarnation, we can so trust Him.

    Joe, and Feeno, I faced possible death once as the result of a serious riding accident, and I can tell you that the sense of God's presence, that He really is with us in the middle of everything, and that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ, is no light thing.

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  4. Grace: "It was a Jobian experience that changed my life, if you know what I mean. Words really can't express what I'm trying to share."

    Hi, Grace.

    Yep, I know what you mean...it's no different an expression than worshippers of Rothaw the Great Rock in Africa which the hunters say fell from heaven a long time ago. Meditate next to it and pray to it and it will change your life.

    I found out through years of prayer and trial that you can replace "Christ" with "Bobo the Clown" and the results are exactly the same.

    (JH)

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  5. Suppose, even if sincere people are people are praying to a rock, God connects to them, and can "show up." He sees their heart.

    Remember Paul's teaching about praying to an unknown God??

    "For it is in Him,that we live, and move, and have our being."

    Of course, I wouldn't put Bozo the Clown in this catagory. :)

    You're pretty cynical, Joe.

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  6. What difference is there in Bozo the Clown and Rothaw the dead deity rock or Paul's "Unknown God" reference from the pagans he used?

    If God "sees their hearts" you tell me what the difference is? None. Nada. Nothing at all. That makes the gospel useless now, doesn't it?

    No, not cynical, just realistic.

    (JH)

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  7. I'm not sure I understand.

    Are you feeling that because God can even hear the prayers of people that aren't Christian believers, and may be working in their lives, that this means the gospel is useless?

    Can you explain to me more where you're coming from, Joe?

    My personal conviction is that everyone who is honestly seeking God, and is searching for truth will be brought to Christ, either in this life, or the next.

    It does seem to me that all truth is God's truth, and there is some truth in other philosophies, and faith systems outside of Christianity. We can always find common ground.

    Did you feel this way as a Christian pastor, Joe?

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  8. Joe's right about how easily suggestible people are when it comes to these things. What do you think hypnosis is? The person being hypnotized does all of the work. If anyone's interested, look up the name "Milton Erickson". People are extremely suggestive. Give me the smartest person alive and I guarantee you that person can enter a trance state. Trances, when recognized and utilized, can be very powerful at awakening agents of change, of transformation, within us. Your defenses weaken and your unconscious mind surfaces. You don't need a psychiatrist to enter this state.

    If you can draw some form of inspiration or usable energy out of the idea of a God, some other idea you truly believe in, or something more physical like a lucky hat, or a physical place like a quiet forest or a beach at night, maybe even be a poem (like "Invictus"), then great– but it follows the exact same formula as proper (Ericksonian) hypnosis. Most people do have at least one thing they draw inspiration from, something they place on a high pedestal in their life.

    If you believe something is going to help you, give you strength, then it probably will; but in experiences such as that, the strength comes from within. It comes from your own mind– sometimes it just needs a helpful push in the right direction.

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  9. Hello Grace,

    Your the best and very sweet. Was your "riding" accident on a horse or a Harley?

    And yes I agree with you about God's love. And tho sometimes I get bombarded with life (things like what were mentioned in Joe's post) it is his love that gives me just enough strength to get through it.

    Not to sound to sappy, but I hope our friend Joe and maybe even Bonz experience this as well.

    Peace, feeno

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  10. It was on a horse, Feeno, a feisty throughbred cross.

    But, my husband, and I do ride a bike. We have a Honda. :)

    And, so do I, Feeno, very much.

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  11. Grace said...

    YOU: "Are you feeling that because God can even hear the prayers of people that aren't Christian believers, and may be working in their lives, that this means the gospel is useless?"

    ME: It's not hard to understand; if someone - anyone - can be saved without the gospel message, then it is worthless. I have a chapter on it.


    YOU: "My personal conviction is that everyone who is honestly seeking God, and is searching for truth will be brought to Christ, either in this life, or the next."

    ME: Really? "In this life or the next?" What the hell does that mean? That means the gospel is useless (if one can be saved without it). Apparently, you disagree.

    You need to read my book. I keep saying that. The chapter that covers this and is "The Cruel Commission: Why Christ's Great Commission isn't so great."


    YOU: "It does seem to me that all truth is God's truth, and there is some truth in other philosophies, and faith systems outside of Christianity. We can always find common ground."

    ME: What does this have to do with anything?


    YOU: "Did you feel this way as a Christian pastor, Joe?"

    ME: Yes. I was a fundy who believed in "no other way salvation like most of the protestant world.

    Before you look down on that, remember that you make a weak debate opponent because you have no real idealistic tenants of faith to be attacked.

    You have no problem believing in an ancient earth and you believe like the Unitarian/universalists that essentially everyone will be saved.

    Who really ISN'T sincere (and therefore worthy of God/salvation) on some level?

    You babble on about "the reality of the incarnation," a pagan, unproven idea, and it doesn't bother you one bit. That's all you have to say. Everything is euphoric to you. Must feel good never experiencing true doubt. Some of us just weren't able to walk that road.

    (JH)

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  12. feeno said...

    YOU: "And yes I agree with you about God's love. And tho sometimes I get bombarded with life (things like what were mentioned in Joe's post) it is his love that gives me just enough strength to get through it."

    ME: But doesn't it bother you that he doesn't give you any strength to get through anything...unless you happen to have the strength in him. And he certainly doesn't get you out of the hardships you face. In time, I got wise enough to realize that I was the only one running the show.


    YOU: "Not to sound to sappy, but I hope our friend Joe and maybe even Bonz experience this as well."

    ME: You already do.

    And nice arrogance in thinking that a former minister like myself and someone you don't know at all have never experienced "God's love."

    It's just impossible being Christians to think that maybe your Bozo the Clown is all you, isn't it?

    (JH)

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  13. Joe, I'm actually not a universalist, although my husband is.

    I certainly think people can willfully, and deliberately reject God, and choose not to participate in His kingdom.

    I really do believe that all salvation is in, and through the cross of Christ. However, I can't say that all people will be lost apart from deliberate, and conscious faith, though. (And, if God wants to show up in the middle of a Buddhist temple, I think He can..:))

    To use a more extreme example, what about those who have never heard the gospel, or who are unable to trust Christ such as the very young, or people that are mentally challenged.

    At any rate, I'm content to trust who is going to be saved or lost, in the end, to the mercy, and justice of God. As the Scripture says, "Shall not the judge of all the earth, do right?"

    But, I will say , that I think there is a lot of joy, meaning, and purpose in knowing, and serving God in this life. There's joy in Him alone. The "good news, is more than just a fire escape, so to speak.

    Joe, I think all Christians experience doubt, and questioning. I think honest doubt is a healthy aspect of faith. We certainly are not going to have all the answers in this life. That's for sure.

    Hey, I'm sorry if I may have shared something to offend you. Not at all trying to be a debate opponent. I would be absolutely terrible at it. Just not where I'm at.

    Do want to share that I've studied this opinion that Christianity borrowed various concepts from paganism, and incorporated all this into Christian doctrine.

    I"m able to see some rough parallels between things like virgin births in pagan mythology, the dying, and rising gods of the mystery cults used by the ancients to explain the cycle of the seasons, etc.

    I think they're also some significant differences, though. Plus, I don't know that parallels necessarily mean that there is always a common root, or arbitrarily borrowing..

    And,because certain pagan religions teach some kind of concept of God becoming man, doesn't mean that Jesus Christ is not truly God with us..

    Have you studied anything written by Dr. Bruce Metzger, a theologian out of Princeton? He's deceased now, but had researched, and studied this very extensively. Also, addressed these alleged parallels between Christian teaching, and Mithra.

    You might find some of his papers interesting.

    Pax.

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  14. No, you didn't offend me. And yes, I've studied Metzger. The question is, have YOU studied me (errr, my book)? Didn't think so. I deal with these subjects more thoroughly than I care to here. That's the last I'll say of it.

    In fact, I might even be inclined to give you a copy if you'll agree to read it fully, review it, and post the reviews on Amazon and other places. Just putting that out there. You seem at least moderate enough to be fairly objective.

    You're not a universalist, I see. Then you trust that God is just enough to torture only those who deserve it.

    Ah, Christians.

    (JH)

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  15. I think Joe is trying to point out,for a god who is supposedly everywhere,realistically this god then goes and does nothing.

    Joe Points out what seem obvious,christians suggest Joe as just being cynical.

    Faith overrules, justice.

    And thats also exactly whats been happening,since ideas of faith were first invented.

    Faith overrules justice when some kid in Africa is killed by faithful folk purging out witches.

    Faith overrules justice when some child somewhere is refused medication by faithful parents who prefer prayer.

    Faith overrules justice when families are split and devided by faithfulness.

    Faith overrules justice when through sadness of aspects of faith some people are driven to dispair and suicide.

    Joe is simply being honest,(faith overrules), christians suggest Joes cynical.

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  16. Joe,

    Thank you so much for your kind offer. At one point, I did try to order your book on line, but had problems with the security code on my credit card.

    Right now I don't know that I would have the time to do a careful book study, as well as posting various reviews, justice.

    So, I wouldn't want to make a commitment, if I couldn't really follow through..

    But, perhaps in the future.

    Hi, there, Gandolf. :) How are you?

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  17. Hi Grace im ok thanks!,hope you are fine too.

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